Принята ли весть 1888 года "в том самом виде"?

Ага. А чего это она до сих пор не зажгла мир-то?
Или быть может силы не имеет? Али с нами, что-то не так?

...о себе...о нас...


да, наверное...особенно если некоторые "от Иакова" понимают, что им "ни на час не уступили и не покорились, дабы истина благовествования сохранилась" и  что "в знаменитых чем - либо, какими бы ни были они когда - либо, для меня нет ничего особенного"... и когда они слышат что они "остались без Христа, отпали от благодати", тогда...   " ...нет...", "... дух"
Павлу бы Гибсона почитать...а то послушал :Сделай же, что мы скажем тебе Деян. 21:23 ...и чуть не убили

Очень печально. Согласен.

А что было ему делать? Идти ещё на большую конфронтацию?
Тогда мы бы прочитали: "Павел остался и в зрелом возрасте
таким же резким, горячим и несдержанным. Именно враги
указывали на его характер и вопрошали, почему на него
самого не действует изменяющая сила Христа? Учитывая его
активность в миссионерской деятельности, какие асоциации
с христианскими проповедниками остались бы у мира?"  
Это апокрифы... мои  

Но слава Богу это не так! Он поступал, как и учил, по своей
совести. Нам сейчас очень легко говорить. Но что будет, когда
надо будет принять ответственность за дело Божие на себя?

Будем ли мы "бросаться на амбразуру" или проявим рассудительность?

Полевой секретарь ГК (институт Библейских исследований) - Анжел Родригес

Наше прошлое, настоящее и будущее...

* "По Своей великой милости самую драгоценную весть Своему народу Господь послал через пасторов Ваггонера и Джоунса. Эта весть должна еще ярче представить перед миром возвышенного Спасителя, жертву за грехи всего мира. В этой вести представлено оправдание по вере в Поручителя. Она пригласила принять праведность Христа, которая проявляется в послушании всем Божьим заповедям... Эту весть Бог повелел передать миру. Это весть третьего ангела, и она должна быть провозглашена громким голосом, ее должно сопроводить излитие Святого Духа в обильной мере." (Е.Уайт СП)

* "Я хочу обратиться с предостережением к тем, кто годами противится свету и вынашивает дух сопротивления. Сколько еще времени вы будете ненавидеть и презирать вестников Божьей праведности? Бог дал им Свою весть. Они непосредственно слышат слово Господне… Но кое-кто пренебрег людьми и вестью, которую они несли. Они обзывали вестников фанатиками, экстремистами, выскочками. Позвольте мне высказать вам пророчество: если в скором времени вы не смирите свои сердца перед Богом, не исповедуете свои многочисленные грехи, то слишком поздно увидите, что вы сражались против Бога… "(Е.Уайт СП)

* "Если бы народ Божий выполнял Божье намерение, возвещая миру весть милости, то Христос уже пришел бы на землю, и святых радушно приняли бы в Божьем городе" (Свидетельства для Церкви, т. 6, с. 450).

* "В течение сорока лет неверие, жалобы и противление было той стеной, которая отделяла древний Израиль от земли Ханаанской. Те же самые грехи задерживают вступление современного Израиля в Небесный Ханаан. В обоих случаях Бог никак не нарушал и не нарушает Своего обещания. Только неверие, мирская природа, неосвященность и раздоры среди людей, провозглашающих себя народом Господа, удерживают нас в этом мире греха и печали в течение столь многих лет" (Рукопись 4, 1883).

* "Возможно, мы еще останемся здесь, в этом мире, на многие годы из-за непокорности, подобной той, что проявляли дети Израиля… "(Письмо 184, 1901).

* "Проповедуя Евангелие миру, мы можем ускорить возвращение нашего Господа" (Желание веков, с. 633).

* "Преимущество каждого христианина - не только ожидать, но и приближать пришествие нашего Господа Иисуса Христа. "(Свидетельства для Церкви, т. 8, с. 22, 23).

* "Пришествие Господа не задержится после того, как послание будет донесено до всех наций, языков и народов. Разве можем мы, изучающие пророчества, забыть, что долготерпение Бога по отношению к греховным людям является частью обширного и милосердного плана, на основании которого Он осуществляет спасение душ? "(Ревью энд Геральд, 1901, 18 июня).

* "Многие братья несут людям доктрины и теории нашей веры, но их слова подобны соли не соленой, ибо Святой Дух не воздействует через их служение, исполняемое без веры. Они не открывают свои сердца для обретения благодати Христовой, они не знают, как воздействует Дух…  Они не обрели праведности Христа, сие одеяние неведомо им, полнота неосознанна, источник нетронут "(Ревью энд Геральд, 1892, 29 ноября).

* "Великое излитие Духа Божьего, которое осветит всю землю Своей славой, не придет до тех пор, пока мы не будем иметь освященный народ, который на опыте познает, что значит быть соработниками с Богом. Когда мы проявим полное, глубокосердечное посвящение на служение Христу, Бог признает этот факт безмерным излитием Своего Духа; но это не совершится до тех пор, пока большая часть церкви не станет соработниками с Богом" (Ревью энд Геральд, 21 июля 1896 г.).

Может кому-то пригодится.
Эти цитаты Уайт ясно показывают, как отнеслись к вести

1. The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through Elders Waggoner and Jones. -TM p. 91.

2. God gave to His servants a testimony that presented the truth as it is in Jesus, which is the third angel's message, in clear, distinct lines. -TM p. 93.

3. The message of the gospel of His grace was to be given to the church in clear and distinct lines, that the world should no longer say that Seventh-day Adventists talk the law, the law, but do not teach or believe Christ. The efficacy of the blood of Christ was to be presented to the people with freshness and power. -TM p. 92.

4. This is the very work which the Lord designs that the message He has given His servants shall perform in the heart and mind of every human agent. … God gave to His messengers just what the people needed. -TM p. 95.

5. The Lord would have these grand themes studies in our churches, and if every church member shall give entrance to the word of God it will give light and understanding to the simple. -TM pp. 95, 96.

6. I would speak in warning to those who have stood for years resisting light and cherishing the spirit of opposition. How long will you hate and despise the messengers of God's righteousness? God has given them His message. They bear the word of the Lord. -TM p. 96. (1895).

7. Here was evidence, that all might discern whom the Lord recognized as His servants. But there are those who despised the men and the message they bore. They have taunted them with being fanatics, extremists, and enthusiasts. … Unless you speedily humble your hearts before God, … you will … see that you have been fighting against God -TM p. 97.

8. You will see that these men whom you have spoken against have been as signs in the world, as witnesses for God. … Zealous men, moved by the Spirit of God … in principle firm as a rock. … Light fr om heaven. -TM p. 97.

9. If you reject Christ's delegated messengers, you reject Christ. Neglect this great salvation, kept before you for years, … and there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. -TM p. 97

10. Even Seventh-day Adventists are in danger of closing their eyes to truth as it is in Jesus, because it contradicts something which they have taken for granted as truth but which the Holy Spirit teaches is not truth. … That men should keep alive the spirit that ran riot at Minneapolis, is an offense to God. -TM pp. 70, 76.

11. Men who are entrusted with weighty responsibilities, but who have no living connection with God, have been and are doing despite to His Holy Spirit. … If God spares their lives, and they nourish the same spirit that marked their course of action both before and after the Minneapolis meeting, they will fill up to the full the deeds of those whom Christ condemned when He was upon the earth. … Some have been cultivating hatred against the men whom God has commissioned to bear a special message to the world. … When they saw and felt the demonstration of the Holy Spirit testifying that the message was of God, they hated it the more. -TM pp. 78-80.

12. That which God gives His servants to speak today would not perhaps have been present truth twenty years ago, but it is God's message for this time. … Let men and women who are truly converted offer themselves in all humility to the service of the Lord. … They will not talk of the faults of others. … They will be men who fear to talk and make sport of God's messengers. -MS 8A, 1888. (Dr. Froom applies these statements to Jones and Waggoner, see Movement of Destiny, p. 225).

13. God is presenting to the minds of men divinely appointed precious gems of truth, appropriate for our time. God has rescued these truths fr om the companionship of error, and has placed them in their proper framework. … Those who have not been sinking the shaft deeper and still deeper into the mine of truth will see no beauty in the precious things presented at this Conference. … Convincing evidence which has been in this Conference. -MS 8A, 1888. (Olson, p. 279).

14. Even though the truth is opposed and spoken against by those who should be blessed, strengthened, and made joyful by it, its value and brightness is not lessened; for the Lord's messengers will hold up the telescope to the spiritual eye. -MS 8A, 1888. (Olson, p. 280).

15. God has most precious light for His people. I call it not new light; but oh, it is strangely new to many. -MS 8A,1888. (Olson p. 280).

16. Be careful how you oppose the precious truths of which you now have so little knowledge. -MS 8A, 1888. (Olson, p. 280).

17. Well, one says, 'Your prayers and your talk run in the channel with Dr. Waggoner.' … If Elder Waggoners views were wrong, what business has anyone to get up and say what they did in here yesterday? … Now, brethren, light has come to us and we want to be where we can grasp it, and God will lead us out one by one to Him.. … If the ministers will not receive the light, I want to give the people a chance; perhaps they may receive it. … When anything shall come in to shut down the gate that the waves of truth shall not come in, you will hear my voice wherever it is, if it is in California, or in Europe, or wherever I am, because God has given me light and I mean to let it shine. … The words that were spoken here were that Elder Waggoner was running this meeting. Has he not presented to you the words of the Bible? … This investigation must go forward. -MS 9, 1888. (Olson, pp 291-293).

18. Dr. Waggoner has spoken to us in a straightforward manner. There is precious light in what he has said. -MS 15, 1888. (Olson, p. 294).

19. I would have humility of mind, and be willing to be instructed as a child. The Lord has been pleased to give me great light, yet I know that He leads other minds, and opens to them the mysteries of His word, and I want to receive every ray of light that God shall send me, though it should come through the humblest of His servants. …MS 15, 1888. (Olson, p. 294).

20. Dr. Waggoner … has presented his views in a plain straightforward manner, as a Christian should. … I have no reason to think that he is not as much esteemed of God as are any of my brethren. … I know it would be dangerous to denounce Dr. Waggoner's position as wholly erroneous. … I see the beauty of truth in his presentation of the righteousness of Christ in relation to the law as the Doctor has placed it before us. … That which has been presented harmonizes perfectly with the light which God has been pleased to give me during all the years of my experience. If our ministering brethren would accept the doctrine which has been presented so clearly-the righteousness of Christ in connection with the law-and I know they need to accept this. -MS 15,1888. (Olson, p. 294).

51. When I purposed to leave Minneapolis, the Angel of the Lord stood by me and said: 'Not so; God has a work for you to do in this place. … It is not you they are despising, but the messengers and the message I sent to My people.' -Letter B-2a, 1892.

52. God has raised up the men to meet the necessity of this time [Jones and Waggoner] … their work is not only to proclaim the law, but to preach the truth for this time, -the Lord our righteousness. -1 SM, pp. 360, 361.

53. When you are enlightened by the Holy Spirit, you will see all that wickedness at Minneapolis as it is, as God looks upon it. … You had all the evidence that you needed that the Lord was working through brethren Jones and Waggoner; but you did not receive the light; … you did not feel ready to confess that you had done wrong, that these men had a message fr om God, and you had made light of both message and messengers. -Letter B-2a, 1892.

54. Oh that all who stepped in false paths at that notable meeting at Minneapolis, and have felt the same spirit enfolding them about, would let Heavens light into their souls. … Hating Jesus Christ in the form of His saints! Oh how will God reveal this whole business in a place where they have never looked upon it! -Letter 13, 1895.

55. Why do you cherish such bitterness against Elder A.T. Jones and Elder Waggoner? It is for the same reason Cain hated Abel. Cain refused to heed the instruction of God, and because Abel sought God, and followed His will, Cain killed him. God has given brother Jones and brother Waggoner a message for the people. You do not believe that God has upheld them, but He has given them precious light and their message has fed the people of God. When you reject the message borne by these men, you reject Christ, the giver of the message. -Letter 51-A, 1895.

56. The Lord has been calling His people. In a most marvelous manner He has revealed His divine presence. But the message and the messengers have not been received but despised. … In rejecting the message given at Minneapolis, men committed sin. They have committed far greater sin by retaining for years the same hatred against God's messengers, by rejecting the truth that the Holy Spirit has been urging home. By making light of the message given, they are making light of the Word of God. …MS 30,1890.

57. Light fr om the throne of God has been long resisted as an objectionable thing. It has been regarded as darkness, and spoken of as fanaticism, as something dangerous, to be shunned. -MS 30,1890.

58. They [the opponents] can hold the objectionable atom under the magnifying glass of their imagination until the atom looks like a world, and shuts out fr om their view the precious light of heaven. … Why take so much account of that which might appear to you as objectionable in the messenger, and sweep away all the evidences that God has given to balance the mind in regard to truth? -R&H, April 18, 1893.

59. This they were too proud to do [opposing brethren] and therefore persisted in rejecting God's counsel and the light and evidence which have been given. -MS 25,1890.

60. In Minneapolis God gave precious gems of truth to His people in new settings. This light fr om Heaven by some was rejected with all the stubbornness the Jews manifested in rejecting Christ. -MS 13, 1889.

61. The very men who ought to be on the alert to see what the people of God need that the way of the Lord may be prepared, are intercepting the light God would have come to His people and rejecting the message of His healing grace. -Letter to Miller Brothers, July 23, 1889.

62. Many say, 'If I had only lived in the days of Christ, I would not have wrested His words, or falsely interpreted His instruction. I would not have rejected and crucified Him, as did the Jews;' but that will be proved by the way in which you deal with His message and His messengers today. The Lord is testing the people today as He tested the Jews in their day. … If you accept the message, you accept Jesus. -R&H, April 11, 1893.

63. If the leading men in our Conferences do not now accept the message sent them by God, and fall into line for action, the churches will suffer great loss. -5T p. 715.

64. No more tender calls, no better opportunities could be given them in order that they might do that which they ought to have done in Minneapolis. … No one can tell how much may be at stake when they neglect to comply with the call of the Spirit of God. The time will come when they will be willing to do anything and everything possible in order to have a chance of hearing the call which they rejected at Minneapolis. -Letter O-19, 1892.

65. When Brother Waggoner brought out these ideas in the Minneapolis Conference, it was the first clear teaching of the subject fr om any human lips I had heard, excepting the communication between myself and my husband. I have said to myself, it is because God has presented it to me in vision that I see it so clearly and they cannot see it because they have not had it presented to them as I have, and when another presented it, every fibre of my heart said 'Amen.' -MS 5, 1889. (Elder Froom sent this to me in a letter dated December 31, 1964.)

66. When men listen to the Lord's message, but through temptation allow prejudice to bar the mind and heart against the reception of truth, the enemy has the power to present the most precious things in a distorted light. -Letter O-19, 1892. (The context is speaking of Jones and Waggoner.)

67. I shall never, I think, be called upon to stand under the direction of the Holy Spirit as I stood at Minneapolis. … But in the rooms occupied by some of our people was heard ridicule, criticism, jeering, laughter. The manifestations of the Holy Spirit were attributed to fanaticism. -Letter May 31, 1896.

68. We know that Bro. Jones has been giving the message for this time, meat in due season to the starving flock of God. … The conference at Minneapolis was the golden opportunity for all present to humble the heart before God, and to welcome Jesus as the great Instructor. … Afterward when the evidence was piled upon evidence, why did you not humble your hearts before God, and repent of your rejection of the message of mercy He has sent you? -Letter, January 9, 1893.

69. Many come here fr om foreign countries thinking that Battle Creek, fr om whence come the publications of the truth will be next to Heaven. How disappointed they feel, when they hear in this place, the message of God spoken of lightly, when they hear the messengers of God, by some in responsible places, made a subject of ridicule, and why is this? It is because the message and the messengers do not coincide in every particular with the ideas of these whom the Lord names as His scorners, although it is a message sent fr om Heaven. -Letter, November 25,1890, Brooklyn, New York.

70. I have great sorrow of heart- I have had nearly ever since the Minneapolis meeting-and I will tell you why. … When it comes to the manifest movement of the Spirit of God, if the spirit were in their hearts they would recognize it in a moment. … I have told my brethren here again and again that God has shown me that He raised up men here to carry the truth to His people and that this is the truth. -Sermon, Battle Creek, March 16,1890.

71. We know that Brother (A.T.) Jones has been giving the message for this time, meat in due season to the starving flock of God. Those who do not allow prejudice to bar the heart against the heaven-sent message, cannot but feel the spirit and force of the truth. Brother Jones has borne the message fr om church to church, and fr om state to state; and light and freedom and the outpouring of the Spirit of God has attended the work. … Brother Jones seeks to arouse the professed people of God fr om their death-like slumber. … They (the opposers) will be asked in the judgment, 'Who required this at your hand, to rise up against the message, and the messengers I sent to my people with light, with grace and power? Why have you lifted up your souls against God? … When the evidence was piled upon evidence, why did you not humble your hearts before God, and repent of your rejection of the message of mercy I sent to you?' -Letter, January 9, 1893.

72. Brother A.T. Jones spoke to the people, also E. J. Waggoner, and the people heard many precious things that would be to them a comfort, and a strength to their faith. They appreciated this, to them, all important privilege. -MS 24, 1888. (Kansas Campmeeting.)

73. When I stated before my brethren that I had heard for the first time the views of Elder E. J. Waggoner, some did not believe me. I stated that I had heard precious truths uttered that I could respond to with all my heart, for had not these great and glorious truths, the righteousness of Christ and the entire sacrifice made in behalf of man, been imprinted indelibly upon my mind by the Spirit of God? … When the Lord had given to my brethren [Jones and Waggoner] the burden to proclaim this message I felt inexpressibly grateful to God, for I knew it was a message for this time. -MS 24, 1888.

74. I should insist that there be a right spirit, a Christ-like spirit manifested, such as Elder E. J. Waggoner had shown all through the presentation of his views. … As Elder E. J. Waggoner had conducted himself like a Christian gentleman they should do the same. -MS 24, 1888.

75. Elder Waggoner had taken a straightforward course, not involving personalities, to thrust anyone or to ridicule anyone. He conducted the subject as a Christian gentleman should, in a kind and courteous manner. -MS 24, 1888.

76. The brethren had all the evidence they would ever have that words of truth were spoken in regard to the righteousness of Christ. … If they had distinguished the voice of the True Shepherd, if they had opened their hearts to receive the light. … -MS 24, 1888.

77. I knew how the Lord regarded their spirit and action and if they did thus in ignorance [opposing Jones and Waggoner] through perverted ideas, they have had all the opportunity God will ever give them to know He has given these men a work to do, and a message to bear which is present truth for this time. … Wherever this message comes its fruits are good. A vigor and a vital energy are brought into the church, and where the message is accepted, there hope and courage and faith beam in the countenances of all those who open their eyes to see … and their hearts to perceive the great treasures of truth. -MS 24, 1888.

78. A lifegiving message … to give life to the dry bones. -MS 24, 1888.

79. They [the people] expressed their gladness and gratitude of heart for the sermons that have been preached by Brother A. T. Jones; they saw the truth, goodness, mercy, and love of God as they never before had seen it. … It was manifest that a renovation had taken place."-R & I-I, February 12,1889.

80. Meetings were held in the college which were intensely interesting. … The Christian life which had before seemed to them (students) undesirable and full of inconsistencies, now appeared in its true light, in remarkable symmetry and beauty. -R&H, February 12, 1889.

101. Messages bearing the divine credentials have been sent to Gods people; the glory the majesty the righteousness of Christ, full of goodness and truth have been presented; the fullness of the Godhead in Jesus Christ has been set forth among us with beauty and loveliness, to charm all whose hearts are not closed with prejudice. We know that God has wrought among us. -R&H, May 27, 1890.

102. Dear Brother: … You had a glimpse of the righteousness of Christ which you have not lost, as I am sure some others did when they came in contact with those who do not appreciate this blessed truth. … The enemy has been in our ranks through whom he works, that the light which God has permitted to shine upon the heart and illuminate the chambers of the mind may be darkened. -R&H, August 19, 1890.

103. It is an astonishment to the whole universe that men do not see and do not acknowledge the bright beams of light that are shining upon them. … Men who might have stood fast to the end, will place their influence against the message and the messenger that God sends. But in the day of judgment, when the question is asked, 'Why did you intercept yourself, your judgment, and your influence, between the people and the message of God?' They will have nothing to answer … they will confess that they … strengthened the hands that sought to tear down that which God had commanded to be built up. -R&H, October 21, 1890. (The context is clear-the reception of the 1888 message.)

104. If you have misjudged your brother, if you have in the least degree weakened his influence, so that the message which God has given him to bear has been made of little or no effect, your sin does not rest merely with the individual, but you have resisted the Spirit of God; your attitude, your words, have been against your Saviour. -R&H, December 16, 1890. (This appeal had obvious reference to Jones and Waggoner -Cf. Olson, pp. 92-99.)

105. God requires that you who have thus done the least injustice to another shall confess your faults … to those who through your influence have been led to regard their brother in a false light, and make of none effect the work God has given him to do. … The question is not whether you see as your brother does on controverted points. … Fall on the Rock and be broken. -R&H, December 16,1890.

106. Consider your words, your attitude, you whose influence has counteracted the message of the Spirit of God, you that have despised both the message and the messenger. After seeing the fruit borne by the message, what have you to say? -R&H, December 16, 1890.

107. All heaven is filled with amazement; that when this love, so broad, so deep, so rich and full, is presented to men who have known the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, they are so indifferent, so cold and unmoved. … The Lord has sent a message to arouse His people to repent, and do their first work; but how has this message been received? While some have heeded, others have cast contempt and reproach on the message and the messenger. -R&H Extra, December 23, 1890.

108. If through the grace of Christ, His people will become new bottles, He will fill them with the new wine [of the 1888 message of Christ's righteousness]. God will give additional light, and old truths will be recovered, and replaced in the framework of truth; and wherever the laborers go, they will triumph. … One interest will prevail, one subject will swallow up every other,-Christ our righteousness. -R&H Extra, December 23, 1890.

109. All who venture to have their own way who do not join the angels who are sent from heaven with a message to fill the whole earth with its glory, will be passed by. [A reference to the 1888 message being the beginning of the Loud Cry] The work will go forward to victory without them, and they will have no part in its triumph. -R&H Extra, December 23, 1890.

110. Have not His [Christ's] counsels been despised and rejected? Have not His delegated messengers been treated with scorn, and their words received as idle tales? -R&H, July 3, 1889. (Context speaks of 1888 message.)

111. [The following statement is obvious reference to the message of Jones and Waggoner and the controversy against it.] "We must learn that others have rights as well as we have, and when any of our brethren receive new light upon the Scriptures, he should frankly explain his position. … If God would send a message and wait for these older brethren to open the way for its advance, it would never reach the people. … The rebuke of the Lord will be upon those who would be guardians of the doctrine, who would bar the way that greater light should not come to the people. … God sees that our leading men have need of greater light, that they may unite with the messengers whom He shall send harmoniously to accomplish the work that He designs they should. The Lord has raised up messengers and imbued them with His Spirit [Jones and Waggoner], and has said 'Cry aloud, spare not. …' Let no one run the risk of interposing himself between the people and the message of Heaven. -R&H, July 26, 1892.

112. The time of test is just upon us, for the loud cry of the third angel has already begun, and the revelation of the righteousness of Christ, the sin pardoning redeemer. This is the beginning of the light of the angel whose glory shall fill the whole earth. -R&H, November 22, 1892.

113. At eight o'clock Brother Jones speaks on the subject of justification by faith, and great interest is manifested. … Quite a number … are being fed with large morsels from the Lord's table. -MS 10, 1889; 1 SM p. 362.

114. These strong assertions in regard to works never make our position any stronger. The expressions weaken your position, for there are many who will consider you an extremist and will lose the rich lessons you have for them upon the very subjects they need to know. -Letter to A.T. Jones, April 9, 1893; Letter 44, 1893.

115. For years the Spirit of God has reproved and exhorted the professed followers of Christ, and has left us without excuse in pursuing evil ways, in criticizing and finding fault with the message and the messenger whom God has sent. … It is perilous to permit prejudice to arise in your hearts and speak against those upon whom sacred responsibility is laid. … The peril of speaking against the servants of God is also made manifest. … -R&H, July 25, 1893. (The context is not unmistakably concerning Jones and Waggoner as is the case with many similar statements of that era, but it may well be.)

116. Be sure to give due attention to the precious truths which come to us from lips that have been touched with a live coal from off the altar. Praise God that light has been sown from the righteous and gladness for the upright in heart. Talk of the instruction that you have received that was to your soul as a feast of fat things. -R&H, August 8,1893. (Again the context is not unmistakably Jones and Waggoner; but the "feast of fat things" is a familiar phrase used often in regard to the 1888 message.)

117. Let not one ray of light from heaven be held in questioning and doubt. … He who charges the work of God to undue excitement, and calls it fanaticism, is certainly standing on dangerous ground. … The record of the past year (in Battle Creek) and of the years previous has passed into eternity but the grace and mercy of God that have been so abundantly bestowed, have not met with a proportionate response in good works. … Satan has worked to make of none effect the heaven-sent refreshing of the shower of grace. -R&H, February 13, 1894. (The Battle Creek College revivals of the early 1890's were an outgrowth of the 1888 message.)

118. When new light is presented to the church, it is perilous to shut yourselves away from it. Refusing to hear because you are prejudiced against the message or the messenger will not make your case excusable before God. To condemn that which you have not heard and do not understand will not exalt your wisdom in the eyes of those who are candid in their investigations of truth. And to speak with contempt of those whom God has sent with a message of truth, is folly and madness. -SSW, May 1892; Testimonies on Sabbath School Work, p. 60.

119. If Christ has given that brother [Jones or Waggoner] a message to bear; upon whom does the hurt [of rejection] come? … Upon the Son of the infinite God. -Letter, August 30, 1892, to Uriah Smith.

120. You have professed to believe, but you have in spirit rejected the message [of 1888]. … If the church refuses to hear the voice of the heavenly merchantman, refuses to open the door, then Christ will pass on, and it will be left destitute of His presence, destitute of true riches, but saying in self-righteousness, 'I am rich … -MS 4, 1889.

121. Our young men look at the older men that stand still as a stock and will not move to accept any new light that is brought in; they will laugh and ridicule what these men say and what they do as of no consequence. Who carries the burden of that laugh and of that contempt, I ask you? -MS 9, 1890, February 3, 1890.

122. The greatest care should be exercised lest we do despite to the Spirit of God by treating with indifference and scorn the messenger, and the messages God sends to His people, and so reject light because our hearts are not in harmony with God. … If you have been in the truth for many years, and some brother who is much younger in years and in the faith is called upon to teach, your age, your position, your intelligence, and understanding of the Scriptures will not give you license to treat this brother with indifference and disrespect. … They will be one with youthful men whom God has educated to act a special part in His work. These young men would find a great blessing in depending upon the experience of older brethren, if those who have been long in the work do not stand upon their dignity, if self does not assume prominence, and the younger brethren seem insignificant. … They consider it a virtue to be at variance with their brethren, and close the door, that light shall not find an entrance to the people of God. … God has messengers and messages for His people. -ST May 26, 1890.

(There are actually many more statements of endorsement from the pen of inspiration -well over 300. The few presented here are representative.)

Я не смогу сделать это на хорошем уровне...

Наша тема: "В правильном ли виде принята руководством Церкви весть 1888 года?"

Может попробуем конструктивно поработать? Надо бы описать, если возможно по пунктам, что именно "не так принято" и потом обсудить. Если этого не сделать, то, думаю, все наши рассуждения больше походят на демагогию... извините.

Давайте я начну с вопросов...

1. Приняла ли церковь сам факт того, что в 1888 году Бог послал весть?
2. Приняла ли церковь сам факт того, что в 1888 году Бог действовал через братьев Джоунса и Ваггонера?
3. Приняла ли церковь сам факт того, что в 1888 году вести было оказано сопротивление?

а дальше можно уже по сути самой вести...

Если отличительные идеи в пренебрежении или оспариваются, то о каком "неполном понимании" речь?

говорить можно все, что угодно...но что на "выходе"...учение евангеликалов адаптированное под адвентизм


Не двусмысленно снимается...целенаправленно


Эти признания ничего не стоят.Говорим одно, подразумеваем другое...


Как себе представить "расплывчатый" поздний дождь и громкий кличь?

Джаst, пару постами выше я приводил доводы того, что церковь, в целом, "не отвергает" факта самой вести. На разных уровнях, начиная от печати и до заявлений лидеров - это признаётся. И хотя ты раскритиковал эти доводы, я всё же, ещё раз сделаю ударение на этом факте. Как я думаю - это наше преимущество. Да, весть не понимается как необходимо, она даже не принимается местами и не поощряется её изучение. Но! Это не отказ от факта провозглашения Богом самой вести. В этом наше преимущество.

Если было бы полное отвержение того, что "Бог говорил к народу...", то вероятно было бы намного труднее. Мы можем всякий раз, встречая трудности на пути вести, апеллировать к этим фактам - которые конечно же выступают в нашу защиту. Надо знать эти факты и использовать их! Я предлагаю в теме "Весть 1888 года и Церковная организация" отражать все известные нам подобные факты, когда вести была оказана официальная поддержка. Я понимаю так, что безудержная критика или причитания о проблеме ничего не решат - нам надо искать возможности защищать и продвигать весть.

Просто ошеломительные слова:
Особенно меня удивили следующие слова:
Принесли ли вестники нечто новое или освежили забытое?

Эта книга только на английском?

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